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knee problem in 1 yr. old
by Cathy
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My one year old Maltese, Rosie was recently diagnosed as having luxating patellas in both knees. However, she is very active and hikes with me all the time. The only reason I even noticed was that she was holding up her left leg occasionally as she would run along. My conversations have been with my own vet, a doctor from the Canine Ortho Assoc. and a vet who specializes in surgery for these ortho matters. The advice I have been given is that none of them can say whether surgery is the right thing to do. My concern is a lame dog in a few years but none of them can say whether this will happen or not. In fact, the doc who specializes in surgery says that sometimes dogs have the worst structural problems and if they have never presented symptoms, it goes undetected unless an x-ray is taken for some other problem. He has sometimes been shocked that an animal could even walk, much less lead an active life when these problems are revealed.
It has been suggested that I watch Rosie for signs that she is giving up things she likes to do. In fact, she's just as active as ever, has absolutely no pain and we just returned from a 4 mile hike in the woods.I would like your input as to surgery vs. not. The confinement period alone for having both knees done is long. My dog is a happy little soul who has been used to great romps through the woods and I'm really concerned.
DISCUSSION:
My first maltese, "Toto", A.K.A. Ch. Jonquil's The Wizard of Oz, has luxating patella's and for that reason, he is neutered and has never been used in my breeding program.
I struggled with the same issue for many years...whether or not to have the surgery. After many years of research and speaking with others who have had the surgery, I decided not to have it done. My decision was based on what follows. First and foremost, "Toto" himself never had any discomfort from the problem and was never lame. Second, the surgery and recovery was painful and since he wasn't in any pain from the condition now, I did not feel it would be right to subject him to it. When I was considering it (8-10 years ago), the surgery was done one knee at a time and the dog had to therefore be subjected to TWO SURGERIES and TWO RECOVERIES...too much for my little guy. Another factor was the fact that the specialist told me that arthritis could set into the repaired knee joints, so I might have just been substituting one problem for another. Finally, I spoke to a number of people who had had the surgery done on their toy dogs and every one had regretted it! The receptionist at the animal hospital had a maltese and she took me aside and told me that if she could do it over, she would never do it again. Her dog really suffered and took a long time to recover.
So...I did not have "Toto's" knees repaired. On Sunday he will be 13 years old. He runs and jumps up on the couch and generally plays like a spring lamb. He has never suffered a minute from his patella's but notwithstanding that fact, I was REALLY PRESSURED by my ex-vet to do the procedure. I don't know whether your little one will have the same results as mine but I thought that I would tell you "Toto's story, in the hopes that it will help you to decide what is right for you.
Just as a little aside, luxating patella's can be the result of an accident but my feeling is that the tendency for the weakness is CONGENITAl. I would strongly urge anyone with a maltese with this problem to NOT BREED the affected animal. This is the only may to eliminate this problem from our breed. I love "Toto" more than life itself and he did complete his championship (before he was diagnosed with the problem) but I have never used him in my breeding program. All the best, Andrea
We took her to another Vetinary surgeon. He said it was a judgement call as to whether she should have surgery. She will probably develop arthritis. However, she is walking fine now.
The thought of her having surgery is pretty scary.
Rosie, Chuck and I just returned from a hike. She wore a coat, (red) partly because it's hunting season and partly because it turned out to be a winter hike with a good inch of snow in the mountains. Her legs are fine. She never has been in pain. And she loves to hike and be outdoors more than anything. She never wants to be picked up although I offer all the time, especially considering my concern over this problem. I did send a note to the breeder who I was a little sceptical about anyway. We wouldn't trade Rosie for the world and by the sound of all your caring replies, you wouldn't trade yours either. Thanks Again, Cathy PS I commonly refer to her as my "change of life baby!
Andrea Noel Snoel Maltese
My last Maltese had "trick" knees and hip dysplasia all his life. I also decided against the surgery. I had asked my vet what the consequences would be of not doing the surgery and he said he could get arthritis, but he could also get it if I did do the surgery! I ended up keeping him on cosequin, which is wonderful for hip dysplasia..not sure if it also helped his knees. When he was 9 yrs old he must have jumped off the bed wrong or something because I came home from work and he was limping..ended up he tore his ACL..I had the surgery at that time on that knee only..the vet fixed the "trick knee" at the same time. Took a couple of months to recover, then he was fine. Still I'm glad I didn't put him through it sooner..it rarely seemed to bother him.
Sue
My chip, who is 5 yrs, just had knee surgery on Oct. 15th. Chip was lame, not using his leg at all. Our vet, Dr. Szanto, strongly advised us to have the surgery since the condition could/would only get worse. Dr.S also said that either way chip would have arthritis but that it would be much less after the surgery then if we left things as they were.
I brought chip home that same evening. His leg was wrapped tightly with bandages and he looked pittiful. All he wanted was for me to hold him. I took the bandages off the next day and TRIED to keep him from bouncing around but this was near impossible (LOL). I did keep him confined to his crate during the day while I was at work and on my lap during the evening. It is now 15 days later and you can't tell there was any problem. He is back to his old self again.
He was in pain at first but the vet prescribed Rimadal 25 mg 1/2 twice daily and it did wonders. Chip never lost his appetite or his good humor. Dr. S says he will need to have the other leg done some day but he would never have done both legs at the same time - too hard on chip.
I should tell you that chip also had his teeth cleaned, one filled and one pulled; so his leg wasn't the only thing we had done. Dr. S also used Isoflurane as the anesthesia which is supposed to be better for small dogs.
I would not hesitate to have chip's other leg done WHEN it is needed. It think the best advice I can give you is to get a vet you can have implicit faith in and then do what is in the best of you babe - what is best for his/her quality of life. Good luck, I know this is a hard decision for you.
Maureen
I struggle with this issue myself. Being a physical therapist it makes it more difficult to make this kind of decision knowing that the surgery can fail. My feeling on it is that if it is asymptomatic, don't touch it. I just don't feel right subjecting my dog to unnecessary pain. You are right, correcting the patellar alignment is not a guarantee that arthritis is not gonna set in, it may buy them time for a year or two but again I haven't heard of any studies that such is the case.I go by the approach of discouraging my dog to high jump and keeping them at their ideal body weight so as not to stress the joint too much.
RC
It is true that a toy dog can have a structural defect in the stifle and show few symptoms. This depends on how bad the condition is, it varies. Your Maltese is walking and running much more than most dogs do, let alone a little Maltese. It is already lame sometimes, when it limps or holds up the leg. For that reason if I were you I would have the surgery done. How can you expect the dog to keep up that pace with a slipping stifle? Even after the surgery the dog should not be allowed to do a lot of jumping, such as in agility trials, nor be stressed by such long running. The leg will only get worse with time, they do not get better on their own. Perhaps the vet that recommended waiting did not realize how the dog lives. If it had a quiet life in a condo that might work! With the new dog pain medication now available the post surgery pain is more under control than it used to be.
Mary Lou
I have two Maltese. The oldest (1yr 6mo), Wolfie Love Out of Control banged his knee bad when he was about 7 months old. This injury seemed to be the start of his luxating patella, which I understand is common in small boned dogs. The Vet Xrayed him (which by the way made his limping MUCH worse!) and suggested Rimidyl (sp?) and surgery if it did not improve. The Xray showed bone hitting bone. I started researching natural remedies and found Fresh Factors (from Springtime, Inc) which is yeast, desiccated liver, bee pollen, kelp, biotin and chondroitin sulfate (which is an essential element that is supposed to aid in reapairing connective tissue). I started to see improvement within days. After about a month on Fresh Factors he was only limping occasionally. I now have him on Cosequin (which you can only get from Vets) after I told him of the improvement I saw from Fresh Factors. The difference is the Cosequin costs ALOT more but also has Glucosamine HCI and Ascorbate and Manganese which helps the body absorb the chondroitin and glucosamine. Wolfie is doing great. NO limping at all now. I will maintain his twice daily dosage for a while and then taper off and see what happens. None the less it might be better to try this before surgury is considered unless the condition has the dog immobilized.
Dianne
Lexie (3 years old) tore her ACL and had a luxated patella over the Summer. We went to both our Vet and a board cerified Vetinary surgeon. They gave her Rimadyl and told us to keep in a cage as any walking would make it worse. She got progressively better. After three weeks or so she was walking fine.
david
Casper is around four years old and has had the patella problem in his right back leg ever since I got him. Whenever he gets up from a rest -- like first thing in the morning or after a nap--he limps for a few minutes and then it seems to work into place. My vet said the test of whether or not to have surgery is whether the dog feels any pain. If there is no pain, why have surgery and recovery and arthritis? If there is pain, then surgery might be the answer. Maybe you might consult doctor who specializes in non-surgical alternatives? Whatever you decide, I know it will be what you think is best for your baby!
Marcia
trick knees- yes i had a poodle who had a this problem. i never operated on her and she lasted 15 yrs jumping and running etc. i also currently have a toy poodle age 7 yrs. her trick knee was discovered and my vet said to leave it as is untill she has a problem. why cause pain. by the way she is in no pain now. i did go to another vet while mine was unavailble and she said yes it should be operated on. i never did and she is running and jumping. good luck in your decision. let us know what you decide.
terry
I can't thank all of you enough for your replies about Rosie"s knee trouble. Frankly, I was amazed when I opened the site to find so many concerned friends and Maltese lovers. One of the reasons I was amazed is that we just went on "the net" a month or so ago. This new world is incredible to a woman who is so non-technical she can barely operate her new toaster!
Cathy
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