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Hip conformation
by Renee H
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This one's for you experts out there ! Have you ever heard anyone X-raying a young puppy ( 15 weeks) to check for hip problems ? I was told that hip problems are generally a large breeds problem and would be extremely rare in the Maltese ? Looking forward to some REAL answers , thanks !

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I stopped breeding about 5 years ago, but dealt with a veterinarian who was very experienced with this problem. Generally this is a larger dogs problem, but not necessarily rare in the Maltese. None the less it does occur. If a puppy at 15 weeks needed x-rays to confirm a suspicion then there would had to have been some outward signs of a potential problem. Next step obviously would have been x-rays. If I remember correctly you would want to have lateral and ventrodorsle pelvic x-rays done. If you are seeing problems then don't hesitate to investigate further. If you are considering breeding with this puppy later on you most certainly would want to know. Hip conformation is hard to detect at this age, but if it is sever enough your veterinarian will see it. If this is so then you would not want to breed with him/her. Also, research the blood line. As a former breeder it was without a doubt to produce the best quality dog possible. If I sold for show or pet this problem would have been unacceptable. During my years (24) in the field, and show ring, I was considered an expert. Normally I am a lurker here (long winded can be added), so back to it I go.
Roger


Roger don't lurk for too long. I've only been breeding Maltese and Lhasa Apso for 6 years but have come across problems with hip conformation twice. Renee I was also told when I firs t started that Maltese were genrally free of this. I have since been set straight. Roger you are rightt get x-raysdone to be sure. I had such a pretty boy who I had planned on breeding, couldn't. We do try our best to better the breed. We kept Jessy, he had surgery when he was 3 and gets around just fine now. He had Grade IV luxating patellas, medical bills can run high.

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Tamera


Wasn't this discussed once before, maybe not. I always have x-rays done before I complete a final sale of one of my pups. Since I present the new owners with a written certificate of health I have to be absolutely sure that no stone was left unturned (or unchecked, as the case may be). The expense is minimal and will save heartache later. I am bothered that hobby breeders do not do this. Sorry if I offended anyone by saying that, it's just my opinion. I also want to say I agree with Rogers post.

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Gabby & Michael


Yea, you're long winded Roger but dead on accurate.

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Lacie


Why would age matter? May be more prominent in larger dogs but to think that our wee little ones don't have it is a mistake. Because of their weight they handle it better. To say it's extremely rare is also a mistake. If you break a bone get an exray, if you limp get an exray, if you want to check for genetic problems get an exray. The last breeder I dealt with I demanded exrays. I don't want their problems! A $50 exray will save you in the long run.

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TaeLynn


couldn't have said it better mate! i don't care what the age is, if you even think there is a problem get them checked. we made that mistake, won't happen again. burned once and that's all it takes. some of you here know the problems we went through with wizard, and some of you know the breeder (and his name won't be mentioned so don't ask) is no longer in business. i've said it before and i'll say it again make them pay for the bills mate cuz if you're gonna breed be prepared to back up your credentials! i'm getting punchy, sore subject for us.

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mark and mary


Mark, Mary, Roger, TayLynn, Gabby, Lacie, etc...., Why are you using so many aliases? You don't want people to know who you are or what? It is ok to use only one name here unless you have something to hide?
Laurie & Emma
Renee, I'm so sorry 2 people found it necessary to give you 6 replys. I can't help you with your question but I hope Libby and Jay keep letting us know when people do this. Hope you get some REAL answers from some REAL people. I don't remember this question coming up before but the archives may have something.
Dottie Starr
Just for the record luxating patellas don't have anything to do with hips and can USUALLY be diagnosed without the x ray. This whole thing about Maltese having hip problems is bogis. From an injury after a fall maybe. Or being kicked maybe. Maltese have enough problems as it is without inventing more. Luxating patellas ('slipped stifles') can crop up in a line but are found very seldom amoung the show lines today. Thirty years ago (60's) was more common in all toy dogs than now. All the best breeders have been concerned with trying to breed out such unsound faults. Of course, it can still crop up. There is no one gene for slippled stifle but the bone structure that leads to it is inherited.
Mary Lou

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